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June 9, 2008

A Booktalk Example: Is Said Definite(ly) Dead?

Filed under: Book Talk — corbettharrison @ 11:06 am

Hi.  Corbett here, and I’m starting a new discussion on On Writing: A Memoir of the Craft, by Stephen King.  This really was a pretty good read.  Even if you don’t like Stephen King’s novels or his obsession with gore (not Al Gore!), you might just enjoy his advice and the personal history he writes about in this interesting read.  King shares not only how he became a writer but also many of his childhood experiences in his attempt to prove that everyone has excellent stories within them to make them writers; in particular, you’ll cringe as he tells (surprisingly without much gore) of long needles being inserted into his ear drums when he was a boy with chronic ear infections, then you’ll laugh your head off as he recounts the fat babysitter who overfed him fried eggs, then locked him in a closet to eventually throw up on himself.  I think King wants us to realize that all of us potentially have stories like these in our souls and memories, and though you wouldn’t necessarily base a novel on them, you could practice your writing skills by writing about them as interestingly as possible.  King also discusses his personal process in writing, and though he gives some excellent advice (When writing, lock yourself in a room with a door that closes and Shoot your television set), he does emphasize that these are his methods, and they might not work for every aspiring writer out there.

 

For a while in the first half of the book, King rants about some things that I’d like your opinions on…if you happen to have an opinion on these things that occurred to me as I read.  There were two in particular that made me wonder a lot.  First, King expresses his hate of the -ly adverb.  He says any writer who uses -ly adverbs is being wordy and telling the reader instead of showing the reader.  He admits to using adverbs himself sometimes (I’d like to see him try not to use adverbs!), but he also denounces the adverb as the weakest part of speech.  I’m looking at my first paragraph of this discussion prompt, and I count 7 -ly adverbs that used; apparently, I am an adverb lover (oh damn! There’s another one!)  I could have revised them away, I suppose, but I don’t know if I want to.  Do you think use of -ly adverbs strengthens or weakens writing…and why?  Second, King says that creative writing teachers who teach kids to continually use verbs in dialogue other than said are doing their writing students a total disservice.  If you want your characters to dialogue, this according to Mr. King, don’t convolute the story and plot by having your characters pronounce, declare, state, reply, exclaim, and verbalize.  King says real writers just have their characters say what they have to say, and they don’t spend time pondering over their thesauruses (thesauri?).  As a creative writing teacher, I did teach the “Said is Dead” lesson a lot, and it did turn the kids’ writing kind of phony, eventually taking away from their natural voices.  I almost think King might have a point with this one, but I wanted to hear what other teachers thought about this.  Do you think “Said is Dead” lessons do our students a disservice?  Thanks for reading this!

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  1. Sounds like I have another book to add to my summer reading. This book sounds fun, I like the real life stories and advice offered, from a notable author nonetheless. Not being a writing teacher, I have never taught the lesson on “Said is Dead”, do you have a handout for that, a DVD, or can I book you to come teach it? I am very curious how this is taught. Additionally, I have neve paid attention to my -ly adverbs in my writing, nor have I ever thought about it when revising, editing,etc. But,I can say that now I have one more thing to consider and look for when reading other’s writing and when looking at my own. This is a very interesting point, and one person’s opinion also. I wonder, will I really change my use of -ly adverbs or just take the comment into consideration and be thankful for the advice and keep writing. Thank you for sharing this book (and being the first one to post, I so thought I would be the first one, but you beat me to it).

      Kristina — July 8, 2008 @ 5:50 pm

  2. Hi,
    I have also read this book and liked it a lot. It was a couple years ago so I’m a little vague on it but I do recall most of the parts you made reference to. I also got inspiration from the fact that he threw Carrie in the waste basket and his wife pulled it out and said (there’s that word) ‘Hey, this isn’t half bad.’ and it sold, and that was what launched him as a writer. I think we all give up on ourselves as writers too easily. I just learned that J.K. Rawlins got 16 formal rejection letters on Harry Potter then self published before being picket up by Scholastic. Anyway, back to the questions on the table, I think for our students essays using better words than said is still valid because they don’t even know they’re out there. Maybe it comes under the heading of learning the rules before you break them. Obviously overuse of words like remarked, retorted and replied would sound just as trite as ’said, said, said’ but a little does do a little good. As far as -ly words go, I suppose Mr. King is a good person to take a lesson from but again at the stage of our budding writers adverbs can add to descriptions wonderfully, don’t you think?

    I suspect that different rules apply to different length pieces and what might work in an essay might not shine as brightly in a book. On Writing was my favorite Stephen King book, but I also loved Bag of Bones and The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon. Not much horror in either, both page turners.

    Bye for now,
    Terry

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      Terry Stelle — August 7, 2008 @ 7:04 am

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